SERB Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:04 а в чем противоречивая репутация? Брон вроде тоже лживый лицемерный брит, ни че работал)У Росса были конфликты с Берни? Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
DarK-SergeanT Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:05 а в чем противоречивая репутация? Брон вроде тоже лживый лицемерный брит, ни че работал)Ну тогда от толко тех директором был. Да и времена другие были, маленький франсуз, немец, южноафриканец ну и лживый Рос ))) Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:08 У Росса были конфликты с Берни? ты веришь слухам? Я не особо, ибо договорится мог и сам Френк, если Адам так не приятен БерниА в чём оценить Парра? По сезону-2011? Тогда - увольте.вопрос на вопрос, не Лёнь так не пойдет Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
SERB Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:11 ты веришь слухам? Я не особо, ибо договорится мог и сам Френк, если Адам так не приятен БерниЯ могу верить /не верить чему угодно, но вот то, что руководитель команды увольняется в начале достаточно перспективного сезона - это факт, который чем-то другим объяснить сложно... Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:13 вопрос на вопрос, не Лёнь так не пойдет А как ты лично меришь достижения Парра? Неужели по IPO Вильямса?Ты с Парра сам на Брауна перескочил. Но мы же не Брауна обсуждаем. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:14 Я могу верить /не верить чему угодно, но вот то, что руководитель команды увольняется в начале достаточно перспективного сезона - это факт, который чем-то другим объяснить сложно...кроме как переход в более сильную конюшню Я не утверждаю, но но посмотрим на дальнейшие события, Адам шоком у вас для меня не будет Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:15 кроме как переход в более сильную конюшню Я не утверждаю, но но посмотрим на дальнейшие события, Адам шоком у вас для меня не будет Двое людей с похожими шевелюрами в Феррари не уживутся. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:18 А как ты лично меришь достижения Парра? Неужели по IPO Вильямса?я никак практически, просто слежу за Уильмсом, что мне позволяет сказать, что он достаточно грамотный мужикэто ты же сказалчто во главе Феррари появится англо-саксонец с такой противоречивой репутацией.я вот не вижу противоречийДвое людей с похожими шевелюрами в Феррари не уживутся.Лука заревнует))) Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
SERB Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:20 Адам шоком у вас для меня не будет Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:21 я никак практически, просто слежу за Уильмсом, что мне позволяет сказать, что он достаточно грамотный мужикэто ты же сказаля вот не вижу противоречийОн в Вильямсе с 2006 года. Одна сплошная нисходящая волна. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
SERB Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:21 кроме как переход в более сильную конюшню Для перехода в более сильную конюшню, ему бы очень пригодился успешный сезон в Вильямсе... Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:22 это сейчас кажется йодом, а потом лекарство будет более сильное Ладно забейте, просто высказал свое мнение Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
mobut Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:23 Для перехода в более сильную конюшню, ему бы очень пригодился успешный сезон в Вильямсе...Кстати, в Вильямс в этом сезоне смотрятся гораздо сильнее чем в двух предыдущих. Я в общем ни на чем не настаиваю, просто так, к общему.. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:25 Кстати, в Вильямс в этом сезоне смотрятся гораздо сильнее чем в двух предыдущих. Я в общем ни на чем не настаиваю, просто так, к общему..Тем более, уход более чем странен Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:25 Он в Вильямсе с 2006 года. Одна сплошная нисходящая волна.без денег, у Степы такая же волна, но с бабками, Уильмс в этом году исправился, Ферры в попе пока, посади сейчас Ала на уильямс и Пастора на ваше ведро, ты бы ужаснулся)) Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:26 без денег, у Степы такая же волна, но с бабками, Уильмс в этом году исправился, Ферры в попе пока, посади сейчас Ала на уильямс и Пастора на ваше ведро, ты бы ужаснулся))"Исправился" ты говоришь по двум гонкам, как и про попу Ферров. Это фрагментарность восприятия Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
mobut Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:28 Кстати да, в турнирной таблице, попа Ферров сильно закамуфлированна, как, возможно и ведро Вильямса. (Ничего плохого не писал, так, абстрактные мысли). Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Леший Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:28 "Исправился" ты говоришь по двум гонкам, как и про попу Ферров. Это фрагментарность восприятия я и говорил пока, но то что у Виллов в двух гонках тачка лучше для меня очевидно Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 17:57 я и говорил пока, но то что у Виллов в двух гонках тачка лучше для меня очевидно Лотус как бы год назад тоже получше Феррари смотрелся. Ну и лучше, чем Фелипе, это не значит, что лучше Феррари. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Juli Опубликовано 28.03.2012 19:48 Сейчас идет чат с Ферари в туитер:https://twitter.com/...h/%23askferrariа кто там на вопросы отвечает? не известно?)вытяжки от туда wind tunnel, CFD simulation & track data- It is fine, this is not the main problem we havesi mormora che il problema della F2012 sia nella sospensione pull-rod anteriore... Quanto c'è di vero? - Nulla.. (The rumor is that the problem is the pull-rod suspension - Not true.)How many non-Italians work at Ferrari?- around 20%what is laking in the 2012 ? speed or constant race trim ? - Mainly top speed and traction out of the slow corners, generally some downforcewhat should we expect in the improvements in the car? Are u going to build a completely new one (some press writes that)?- No new car in the pipleline but we will work on improvements, starting from China and more to come in SpainQ: Is it true we let Felipe do some testing during race? - It is not true at all... Both drivers, Fernando even more, worked on different aero configurations on Fridays, as usual.what are you working on for improving the car towards next race? - mainly on the aero sidea spanish journalist says that you are developing a new chassis for Barcelona. Is that true or just upgrades?- It is not true, as we told to that Spanish journalist in Sepanwho in your opinion is the best driver that ever raced for ferrari? - difficult question... In the modern age, Michael and Fernando, but Kimi very very close to them as pure talentFernando spends a lot of time with team, doesn't he? - Yes, true!! THis is very positiveIs Fernando a classical music lover? - Yes he isHow's Massa? - Felipe is obviously disappointed but he knows we have faith in his talentAre you guys planning on hiring someone new since Felipe is not really making a huge imapct in the 2012 season? - No, no plansWill you be able to give Alonso a car to fight with the best this year?- Our target is to provide a competitive cars to both driversIn Malaysia Ferrari's engines across the line of 70 000 km of leading during the race. Have you celebrated it? - Honestly, we did not know at all!!Quante ore trascorre un pilota al simulatore per preparasi ad una gara? Grazie. - Non c'è un limite, di solito quando un pilota trascorre un giorno al simulatore lavora 6/8 ore (How many hours a driver spends on the simulator to prepare for a race? Thank you. - There is a limit, usually when a driver spends a day in the simulator works 6/8 hours)Se trabajara en alguna mejora del coche para llevarlas a China? Que podeis decir de la increible carrera de @alo_oficial ? - Yes, there will be some improvement. Fernando did an incredible race, as in Melbourne and many times last year as wellHow many hours does an engineer work back in the factory a day? - It depends, 8/10?any two drivers past or present, who would the Scuderia choose for their ideal team - Michael, Kimi, Fernando, Niki: this is our personal choiceAvete sufficienti dati per le prossime linee di sviluppo o ci sono ancora zone buie? - Onestamente c'è sempre da scoprire qualcosa, soprattutto in una fase iniziale della stagione come questa (Do you have sufficient data for future lines of development or are there still dark areas? - Honestly there is always something to discover, especially at an early stage of the season like this)how long does it take to develop a F1 chassis? - from scratch? Usually, you start working on the new car around April...If you could bring back one track from the past, which one would it be and why? - Imola, because is the closest!Will Ferrari be at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this year & is there a chance Felipe & Fernando will attend? - Yes, but we're afraid Felipe and Fernando will be unable to goHow soon do you think you'll be 100% happy with your car? - we hope very soon!what about Sunday? We are wondering whether FIA will double our points for one car racing while one car is testing...ah sorry - Very funny....are you guys going to make a creative front wing just like Mercedes to match them? - It depends if it is really legal...Are we going to see a better car in China? - Hopefully yes!is Ferrari set to sign the new Concorde Agreement? - We've reached an agreement, this is the only thing we can saywhat goals have the team set for this years championship taking into account testing and the 1st two races? - The goal @insideferrari can have is only one: winning...will the updates for china and Bahrein be significant or rather minor. When do you expect to have closed the gap - Nothing major in the next two racesWill we see a new or different exhaust solution on the car before Mugello & Spain? - Time will tellDid you arrange a small party after the race at Malaysia to celebrate this emotional victory? - No, unfortunately not... We did something here in Maranello with all the people of Gestione Sportivais it true that you guys want to return to the pullrod suspension instead of a pushrod? - nobetter to tell Stefano (i still support him) to protect Felipe well and do not let us disappointed again... :-) - This is what we're doingWhy doesn't a rich brand like Ferrari do charity? - We do it but we don't say it...Yo pienso que @alo_oficial es uno de los 10 mejores de la historia. En que puesto estaria para vosotros? Seguro en los top 10.. (Alonso is a top 10 driver in the history of F1)what is the biggest car related problem you guys are facing at the moment? - lack of traction and top speedAny plans to introduce a DRS F-Duct like the Mercedes system? If yes, when will it debut? - At the moment we've other prioritieswhat is the difference in Massa's car and Alonso's car?Y is massa lagging so much as both are equally talented - The cars are the same...I've heard that Kimi didn't know how to get to Maranello. ¿Is it true? - NO...can we expect to see any improvements to the car in China? - we will have some updateHello, we hear lot of rumors about Kubica in Ferrari, can you tell us something more about it - only rumours...How many people work on the car including the ones back in the factory? - around 600Where could we expect a reasonably winner car? Spain? Is there a scheduled program of improvements?Forza Ferrari! Avanti Fer! - In Spain we will have a bigger update but time will tell if it will be enoughhow does Alonso feel after winning the Malaysian GP? - Ah, he was over the moon!Was there no alternative of nose shape? - not as efficient as we've chosenwhy is Massa's car is slower by almost 10Kph on straight with DRS than Alonso's??? - This is not truehow come fernados car is faster than felipes i thought the cars were s'pose to be equal - they are exaclty the sameWhy does everyone call the F2012 ugly? I think it's absolutely gorgeous! - Everyone has his own taste.. A nice car is a winning car in our view...other than the new gearbox, what new parts/modifications will be fitted for the Chinese GP? - New gearbox?? Not truewhen is the next round of significant upgrades due? - we will try to introduce updates at every raceDo you think Bahrain will go ahead? - At the moment there is nothing which says the contraryAre the team at all interesting in replacing felipe massa with Sergio Perez? or is that classified?- No, not interestedWhy Ferrari decided to go social this year (fernando on twitter&fb etc). will there be any new updates in China? - Because we felt it was better to have a direct contact with the fansare u expecting to win more races this season? - Hopefully yes!how you feel at last laps in Malaysia? - Very tense....Do you miss re-fuelling in races, or do you prefer the cars being full on fuel for races? - Not particularlyAre u still confident in the decision 2 go with the step-nose design given McLaren's clear dominance without it? - We don't think the difference is in the nose....Does the anterior pull road suspension work well or it create trouble with the set up? - It workswellWill big changes to the car include new crash test,modified rear suspension geometry? - NO, nothing of these thingsany plans to replicate the Mercedes F-duct? - This is not a priority at allAm I right in thinking there will be big updates at Velencia? - Hopefully earlierany hint as to what upgrades will u be bringing to China - Sorry, let's keep it confidential...do you wish Senna had ever raced for Ferrari? - Yes, we really wanted him and we've been very close. He was in Maranello few days before the accident in Imola...Where is Alonso based now? - In Spainwhy other low teams have gone better from last year specially we hope ferrari could be on the front ? - Ah, it is true they've done a better job so far but the season is very longWith a degree in English and German do I have any chance to work for Ferrari in the press department?That has been my dream. - Sorry but this is not the only condition.... Italian is required!una domanda ma durante il gp della malesia funzionava il kers di Alonso xke mi sembrava dalla grafica di no!!! - Il KERS sì la telemetria no..What do you think is more important to F1 - expansion into new countries, or classic tracks like Spa, Monza etc?- Both things!About the situation in Bahrein... What is Ferrari's point of view? - we trust FIA and FOM on this subject...Fernando has told you something about his tatto?? - He does not need to ask for permission.... :-)perchè questo diverso consumo tra le due macchine? -Consumo di gomme? E' una delle aree su cui stiamo lavorando per capire quali siano le differenzeDo you think fernando win any title in Ferrari? - 100% sure!!!Will you change the nose design to match that of McLaren's - No, it is not a matter of nosesbe honest now ... What's up with the Perez team orders at Malaysia? - This is one of the biggest bullshit of the last few years....Are we going to see a faster car in the next race ? - We do hope soComo se llama la persona que escribe tweets durante el Gran Premio?It is Ferrari, no need for a name :-) (name of the person who write the tweets during races.) Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 19:52 а кто там на вопросы отвечает? не известно?)вытяжки от туда wind tunnel, CFD simulation & track data- It is fine, this is not the main problem we havesi mormora che il problema della F2012 sia nella sospensione pull-rod anteriore... Quanto c'è di vero? - Nulla.. (The rumor is that the problem is the pull-rod suspension - Not true.)How many non-Italians work at Ferrari?- around 20%what is laking in the 2012 ? speed or constant race trim ? - Mainly top speed and traction out of the slow corners, generally some downforcewhat should we expect in the improvements in the car? Are u going to build a completely new one (some press writes that)?- No new car in the pipleline but we will work on improvements, starting from China and more to come in SpainQ: Is it true we let Felipe do some testing during race? - It is not true at all... Both drivers, Fernando even more, worked on different aero configurations on Fridays, as usual.what are you working on for improving the car towards next race? - mainly on the aero sidea spanish journalist says that you are developing a new chassis for Barcelona. Is that true or just upgrades?- It is not true, as we told to that Spanish journalist in Sepanwho in your opinion is the best driver that ever raced for ferrari? - difficult question... In the modern age, Michael and Fernando, but Kimi very very close to them as pure talentFernando spends a lot of time with team, doesn't he? - Yes, true!! THis is very positiveIs Fernando a classical music lover? - Yes he isHow's Massa? - Felipe is obviously disappointed but he knows we have faith in his talentAre you guys planning on hiring someone new since Felipe is not really making a huge imapct in the 2012 season? - No, no plansWill you be able to give Alonso a car to fight with the best this year?- Our target is to provide a competitive cars to both driversIn Malaysia Ferrari's engines across the line of 70 000 km of leading during the race. Have you celebrated it? - Honestly, we did not know at all!!Quante ore trascorre un pilota al simulatore per preparasi ad una gara? Grazie. - Non c'è un limite, di solito quando un pilota trascorre un giorno al simulatore lavora 6/8 ore (How many hours a driver spends on the simulator to prepare for a race? Thank you. - There is a limit, usually when a driver spends a day in the simulator works 6/8 hours)Se trabajara en alguna mejora del coche para llevarlas a China? Que podeis decir de la increible carrera de @alo_oficial ? - Yes, there will be some improvement. Fernando did an incredible race, as in Melbourne and many times last year as wellHow many hours does an engineer work back in the factory a day? - It depends, 8/10?any two drivers past or present, who would the Scuderia choose for their ideal team - Michael, Kimi, Fernando, Niki: this is our personal choiceAvete sufficienti dati per le prossime linee di sviluppo o ci sono ancora zone buie? - Onestamente c'è sempre da scoprire qualcosa, soprattutto in una fase iniziale della stagione come questa (Do you have sufficient data for future lines of development or are there still dark areas? - Honestly there is always something to discover, especially at an early stage of the season like this)how long does it take to develop a F1 chassis? - from scratch? Usually, you start working on the new car around April...If you could bring back one track from the past, which one would it be and why? - Imola, because is the closest!Will Ferrari be at the Goodwood Festival of Speed this year & is there a chance Felipe & Fernando will attend? - Yes, but we're afraid Felipe and Fernando will be unable to goHow soon do you think you'll be 100% happy with your car? - we hope very soon!what about Sunday? We are wondering whether FIA will double our points for one car racing while one car is testing...ah sorry - Very funny....are you guys going to make a creative front wing just like Mercedes to match them? - It depends if it is really legal...Are we going to see a better car in China? - Hopefully yes!is Ferrari set to sign the new Concorde Agreement? - We've reached an agreement, this is the only thing we can saywhat goals have the team set for this years championship taking into account testing and the 1st two races? - The goal @insideferrari can have is only one: winning...will the updates for china and Bahrein be significant or rather minor. When do you expect to have closed the gap - Nothing major in the next two racesWill we see a new or different exhaust solution on the car before Mugello & Spain? - Time will tellDid you arrange a small party after the race at Malaysia to celebrate this emotional victory? - No, unfortunately not... We did something here in Maranello with all the people of Gestione Sportivais it true that you guys want to return to the pullrod suspension instead of a pushrod? - nobetter to tell Stefano (i still support him) to protect Felipe well and do not let us disappointed again... :-) - This is what we're doingWhy doesn't a rich brand like Ferrari do charity? - We do it but we don't say it...Yo pienso que @alo_oficial es uno de los 10 mejores de la historia. En que puesto estaria para vosotros? Seguro en los top 10.. (Alonso is a top 10 driver in the history of F1)what is the biggest car related problem you guys are facing at the moment? - lack of traction and top speedAny plans to introduce a DRS F-Duct like the Mercedes system? If yes, when will it debut? - At the moment we've other prioritieswhat is the difference in Massa's car and Alonso's car?Y is massa lagging so much as both are equally talented - The cars are the same...I've heard that Kimi didn't know how to get to Maranello. ¿Is it true? - NO...can we expect to see any improvements to the car in China? - we will have some updateHello, we hear lot of rumors about Kubica in Ferrari, can you tell us something more about it - only rumours...How many people work on the car including the ones back in the factory? - around 600Where could we expect a reasonably winner car? Spain? Is there a scheduled program of improvements?Forza Ferrari! Avanti Fer! - In Spain we will have a bigger update but time will tell if it will be enoughhow does Alonso feel after winning the Malaysian GP? - Ah, he was over the moon!Was there no alternative of nose shape? - not as efficient as we've chosenwhy is Massa's car is slower by almost 10Kph on straight with DRS than Alonso's??? - This is not truehow come fernados car is faster than felipes i thought the cars were s'pose to be equal - they are exaclty the sameWhy does everyone call the F2012 ugly? I think it's absolutely gorgeous! - Everyone has his own taste.. A nice car is a winning car in our view...other than the new gearbox, what new parts/modifications will be fitted for the Chinese GP? - New gearbox?? Not truewhen is the next round of significant upgrades due? - we will try to introduce updates at every raceDo you think Bahrain will go ahead? - At the moment there is nothing which says the contraryAre the team at all interesting in replacing felipe massa with Sergio Perez? or is that classified?- No, not interestedWhy Ferrari decided to go social this year (fernando on twitter&fb etc). will there be any new updates in China? - Because we felt it was better to have a direct contact with the fansare u expecting to win more races this season? - Hopefully yes!how you feel at last laps in Malaysia? - Very tense....Do you miss re-fuelling in races, or do you prefer the cars being full on fuel for races? - Not particularlyAre u still confident in the decision 2 go with the step-nose design given McLaren's clear dominance without it? - We don't think the difference is in the nose....Does the anterior pull road suspension work well or it create trouble with the set up? - It workswellWill big changes to the car include new crash test,modified rear suspension geometry? - NO, nothing of these thingsany plans to replicate the Mercedes F-duct? - This is not a priority at allAm I right in thinking there will be big updates at Velencia? - Hopefully earlierany hint as to what upgrades will u be bringing to China - Sorry, let's keep it confidential...do you wish Senna had ever raced for Ferrari? - Yes, we really wanted him and we've been very close. He was in Maranello few days before the accident in Imola...Where is Alonso based now? - In Spainwhy other low teams have gone better from last year specially we hope ferrari could be on the front ? - Ah, it is true they've done a better job so far but the season is very longWith a degree in English and German do I have any chance to work for Ferrari in the press department?That has been my dream. - Sorry but this is not the only condition.... Italian is required!una domanda ma durante il gp della malesia funzionava il kers di Alonso xke mi sembrava dalla grafica di no!!! - Il KERS sì la telemetria no..What do you think is more important to F1 - expansion into new countries, or classic tracks like Spa, Monza etc?- Both things!About the situation in Bahrein... What is Ferrari's point of view? - we trust FIA and FOM on this subject...Fernando has told you something about his tatto?? - He does not need to ask for permission.... :-)perchè questo diverso consumo tra le due macchine? -Consumo di gomme? E' una delle aree su cui stiamo lavorando per capire quali siano le differenzeDo you think fernando win any title in Ferrari? - 100% sure!!!Will you change the nose design to match that of McLaren's - No, it is not a matter of nosesbe honest now ... What's up with the Perez team orders at Malaysia? - This is one of the biggest bullshit of the last few years....Are we going to see a faster car in the next race ? - We do hope soComo se llama la persona que escribe tweets durante el Gran Premio?It is Ferrari, no need for a name :-) (name of the person who write the tweets during races.) Как кто?It is Ferrari, no need for a name Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 19:58 Очень любопытно про Сенну.do you wish Senna had ever raced for Ferrari? - Yes, we really wanted him and we've been very close. He was in Maranello few days before the accident in Imola...Оказывается, он был в Маранелло за несколько дней до своей гибели Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
First Lady Опубликовано 28.03.2012 20:18 Очень любопытно про Сенну.do you wish Senna had ever raced for Ferrari? - Yes, we really wanted him and we've been very close. He was in Maranello few days before the accident in Imola...Оказывается, он был в Маранелло за несколько дней до своей гибелиЕтот вопрос задал мой знакомый. Как стеснился мир в ере интернета. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
leonid84 Опубликовано 28.03.2012 20:20 Етот вопрос задал мой знакомый. Как стеснился мир в ере интернета.На мой не ответили, прислал, когда уже они закруглились. Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах
Cupprum Опубликовано 28.03.2012 20:36 На мой не ответили, прислал, когда уже они закруглились. Лёнь! "Флаг победы" поднимают один и тот же, чтоб персонал и жители вокруг фабрики знали об этом. Это пошло ещё со времён, когда не было ни только и-нета, но и ти-ви...А поднимать в честь каждой победы новый флаг - кто их считать то будет? Наверх Поделиться этим сообщением Ссылка на сообщение Поделиться на других сайтах